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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 02:52 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:748] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

In message <[e-mail]> you writ
e:

>I know I know... this isn't really to do with KLF, but I figured with all
>the people that use Mod4Win on this list that someone is bound to be able
>to help me out.
>
>Mod4Win seems to write a date to the FAT or someother undiscoverable
>location so even if you re-install, it still gives you the expiry
>message.

Mod4Win does not write to the FAT, the root directory, into Windows
binaries, or any other inapropriate place people's imagination comes
up with.  It uses a commonly shared Windows file to store private data,
a file that exists exactly for that purpose, so quit whining.

>I didn't get my full 30 day usage out of it as I wasn't able to
>use it every day for my 30 days.

Well, what do you think a company that's giving you a book or a CD boxed
set or anything else for 30 days to review is going to tell you when you
come with that line, I didn't read/listen/look at it every day.  Right.
Tough luck!

>I'm too much of a cheap student to pay
>the $80 for it, so I'd really just like to re-install it and get more
>time out of it ($80 is quite expensive).

Actually it's only $30.  Who's charging you $80 for it?

>So my question is, has anyone managed to find where it writes info to and
>get rid of it so you can reinstall it?

I have managed to put a paragraph into the text and help file that is very
explicit on this and I'll quote it for you so you're perfectly aware of
what I'm talking about:
____________________________________________________________________________

License Regulations
-------------------

This program is not freeware!  Mod4Win is shareware, that means software you
can test for a certain time and then have to purchase or delete from your
disk.  The copyright for this program (mod4win.exe, player32.dll) and its
help (m4w_usa.hlp) is held by JSInc.  You are granted a period of 30 days, in
which you can test the program.  If you want to use Mod4Win after this test
period, you are required by federal law to purchase a registered copy.

All attempts to defeat the shareware check and the 30 days trial limit are
unlawful and strictly prohibited.  If such attempts become known, JSInc.
reserves the legal right to prosecute the offending party.
____________________________________________________________________________

>thanks for the bandwidth...
>
>***************************************************************************
>+                          Tom "Energi" Robbs                             +
>+                   [e-mail]                    +
>+              http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~trobbs/            +
>***************************************************************************

Jensi


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:45 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:742] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>mellow ... eek!  Still love shit like Desolate Aura to shake of that
>drowsy feeling and invigorate the soul!!!

        Hah.   It sounds like you're selling bottled spring water from on
top of a soapbox. ;)
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 23:03 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:744] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

>Well, KLF musicians out there. Hope you don't mind it. Your music is just
>as good without DOOM :-) !

        It's funny you mention this.  When Doom 2 came out, we were all
talking in #trax about how it would be better with some tracker techno in
Doom, and that KLF should be contracted for the next Doom (Quake?) to write
the music. :)

        Any Id employees on here?  :)
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:14 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:750] Re: sites and stuff

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 07:17 EET,
Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>oh ... i see.  well how about keeping hornet up to date like it use to
>be.  it's just that i find luth connection slow up here in Toronto.

I'm accessing the Internet from Nova Scotia and get full speeds on a 14.4k
SLiP connection...

>btw, another quick question that i never got around to asking ... what
>happened to transcentral? ... it went down around the summer during the
>time i didn't have an internet account.

Are you talking about EGG2?

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:14 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:749] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 06:59 EET,
Dan  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes),
>> things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_
>> heard!)

>yes, and i'm going to reply concretely. this group does not exist to
>propagate the myth that music made on a computer has to sound like
>computer music. ryan cramer has done some great songs, and epidemic may
>be fine and dandy, but there are way too many people out there doing

I don't think many of the songs on Epidemic even sound like computer music.

>demomuzak and the like. instead of judging 'computer music' against other
>computer music, judge *all music* as *music*. our group has become the
>world's largest, and probably most popular, 'PC Music' group around

Mostly I do that, it comes up pretty good, I actually like "computer music"
better than a lot of the CD's you can buy.

>words, that reason is why Kosmic will NEVER become just some computer
>music group. if people cannot open their minds to things new and
>different, they might as well just stick with being spoonfed
>Warner-Elektra-Atlantic pop.

I didn't ask you to dump all your techno stuff, I'd just like to see a
little more softer productions.  Did I hit a nerve or something?

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:21 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:753] Re: whitesand ...

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:47 EET,
Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>i gave up on that a long time cuz it's more pain in the butt then it's
>worth.  found it easier to just ftp the darn things then to sort through
>mail and decode them.  plus they didn't come in the right order.

I agree, the last few songs didn't even get sent, anyone know how to
un-join the binaries KLF list?  :)

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:15 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:751] Re: whitesand ...

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:40 EET,
Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>actually ... was looking more for the funk ... love that shit! ... but
>house-funk would be great also. :)  hey has anyone else ever attempted
>anything even close to his 26 channels mtm "klf zymba" ... and done so as
>succesfully as he did?  it's a shame to waste all those 32 channels,
>especially since i got a GUS that can handle it.

Actually, once you get more than 14 channels going the GUS starts dropping
the mixing rate, and you do notice a difference.  14 tracks should be
enough for anyone :)

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:20 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:752] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:47 EET,
Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes),
>> things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_
>> heard!)
>> KLF members, are you listening?  :)
>mellow is good, yeah i love basehead's Forever and also Poetry in Motion
>II.  not to mention malcuem's SpaceButter.  BUT NOT EVERYTHING has to be
>mellow ... eek!  Still love shit like Desolate Aura to shake of that
>drowsy feeling and invigorate the soul!!!

I agree totally!  I would just like to see more mellow stuff from KLF, not
asking them to quit making techno or anything, just bet they could make
some really cool mellow songs too, especially Basehead!

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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:46 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:743] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general

>equipment.  The sound is influenced by the equipment as well.  When
>Walter (now Wendy) Carlos made "Switched on Bach" He/She couldn't make a

        Eh?  Sex change?  I did a project on electricy in music, and I did a
little thing on Wendy Carlos, but not Walter Carlos.. (from what I remember)
As far as I can remember, she was the only one working on Switched on Bach.
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:25 EET
From: Tom Robbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:740] Mod4Win Expiry


I know I know... this isn't really to do with KLF, but I figured with all
the people that use Mod4Win on this list that someone is bound to be able
to help me out.

Mod4Win seems to write a date to the FAT or someother undiscoverable
location so even if you re-install, it still gives you the expiry
message.  I didn't get my full 30 day usage out of it as I wasn't able to
use it every day for my 30 days.  I'm too much of a cheap student to pay
the $80 for it, so I'd really just like to re-install it and get more
time out of it ($80 is quite expensive).

So my question is, has anyone managed to find where it writes info to and
get rid of it so you can reinstall it?

thanks for the bandwidth...

***************************************************************************
+                          Tom "Energi" Robbs                             +
+                   [e-mail]                    +
+              http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~trobbs/            +
***************************************************************************


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Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:45 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:741] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>yep that's me! :) ... i tape the stuff and blare it! :) ... but then
>again i also tape some of the classical midi's off my GUS to relax too :)

        Yeah.  Stuff without words to distract you are great to study to.
Every semester around exams I always find myself scrambling to slap together
a tape of stuff off my system. :)

>music is never cut and dry on were boundaries begin and end.  so are you
>saying that "computer" music in general is in reference to demomuzak?

        I think that out of all the different genre's that are out there in
tracker format, demomuzak sounds the most computer-like, and for us,
whenever we hear the term "computer music", that's what we think of.  I
mean, what isn't "computer music" (or computer assisted music) these days?
(Well, except for the obvious stuff like metal, rock, classica, etc.)

        I still find it funy when people look supprised when I tell them
that dance music is made by computers.
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 04:41 EET
From: Josh Rodman <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:754] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general

>
> Dan...  has someone told you something to the extent of "it's good for
> computer music, but it doesn't sound like real music?" or something to
> that extent?
>
> All music is real music.  Computer-tracker music is a genre just like
> guitar music is.  You can't really directly compare guitar music to violin
> music, as each is different, and there's not a whole lot you can draw
> between them.  It would be a stretch to compare the Aphex twin, let's say,
> to Bach.

[snip]

> If I wanna compare, say, Richard D. James to you, without having to weight
> either side, I would ask him to sit down in front of a PC with fasttracker
> II or MMedit or whatever and write some stuff.  Or I would throw you into
> his studio, and let you go wild.

It seems to me you are viewing the concept of a "music comparison" as a
competition.  People have to use the same tools to make their music
comparable?  I can't compare the Shakers producing their simple melodies to
Aarron Copeland's orchestra which incorporates some of those melodies?  They
use dissimilar instrumentation and composing materiels, so by your logic
they are not comparable, even though one is the source materiel for the
other!

Music (despite what much of the demo-scene seems to think) is not a race,
nor is it a one dimensional test of effort or skill or any of these things.
Some say we should stay to 4 channels because it is harder that way.  Why
don't all symphony composers include a jackhammer in the instrument set to
make it harder?  Because that's not the point of music.  It's a medium in
which you can create.  You can use bits of things you have experienced or
forge out in totally new directions, and neither is BETTER than the other,
but the tools of the exploring, these are irrelevant.

That said, it is still possible to take a shit on a musical canvas.  It is
still possible to turn out things that can be generally recognized as
totally unispired and pathetic; Herbie Hancock might have been doing
something, but after an entire decade expired into synth-pop, the "musical
artists" more closely resembled pimps.  Demomuzak was never meant to be
anything more than background chitter, it was designed not as an artform but
as wallpaper.  Wallpaper can look nice, but it isn't art.  It is only
recently that tracker-produced music has truly begun to outgrow it's
heritage.  It's been growing in that directior for a while, but it's
heritage is junk, so people like the KLF deserve a lot of a credit for
creating music that is on a par with similar conventionally produced music,
but I don't think we need a judgeing panel over this comparison.



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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:19 EET
From: Chng Ching Huei <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:755] Re: whitesand ...



On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:

> >i gave up on that a long time cuz it's more pain in the butt then it's
> >worth.  found it easier to just ftp the darn things then to sort through
> >mail and decode them.  plus they didn't come in the right order.
>
> I agree, the last few songs didn't even get sent, anyone know how to
> un-join the binaries KLF list?  :)
>

Get that program! Something called 'uuxfer20.zip'!
It does decoding/encoding and is menu driven. I think it can be gotten
from any decent ftp sites under the SIMTEL CDROM site.
You can try to ftp from 'ftp.nus.sg'

Benedict Chng.
Email: [e-mail]
Republic of Singapore.
Lover of DOOM!


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:25 EET
From: Chng Ching Huei <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:756] Re: Mod4Win Expiry



On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Tom Robbs wrote:

>
> I know I know... this isn't really to do with KLF, but I figured with all
> the people that use Mod4Win on this list that someone is bound to be able
> to help me out.
>

Why the hell do you want to use that Mod player when they are other jolly
GOOD players around that actually produces much BETTER sounds as compared
to that good ole' MOD4WIN?

Well, are you sure you can play KFMF's mtm and s3m using MOD4WIN?

For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
fidelity sounds. REALLY!

It can be gotten from wuarchive.wustl.edu, I think.

Benedict Chng
email: [e-mail]
Republic of Singapore
Another DOOManic!



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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:40 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:757] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Thu, 19 Jan 95 00:10 EET,
Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>         Yeah.  Stuff without words to distract you are great to study to.
>> Every semester around exams I always find myself scrambling to slap together
>> a tape of stuff off my system. :)
>who's talking anything about studying ... i'm talking about some LUV
>making! :) ... hmmm studying with classical music, now that's a thought!
>.. hehehe i'm just pulling your leg! :)

:D:D:D

I don't like listening to music at all while studing (exam time right now),
I really like listening to music while I'm answering mail.  I use IPLAY
mostly with the EGG2 music because the EGG2 player has no drop to DOS
function :)

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:41 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:760] Playing tracker files on a GUS

I have 768k RAM on my GUS, which I thought would be enough for any tracker
file I could come across.  I was wrong.  Until I can get some more memory,
is there any players that will play tracker files in software?  The file
plays fine on my friends SB16.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:40 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:758] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:45 EET,
Andrew McCallum  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>        Yeah.  Stuff without words to distract you are great to study to.
>Every semester around exams I always find myself scrambling to slap together
>a tape of stuff off my system. :)

Why tape the stuff?  I just play it right off my computer, sounds great.  I
have about 50MB of tracker files.

>whenever we hear the term "computer music", that's what we think of.  I
>mean, what isn't "computer music" (or computer assisted music) these days?
>(Well, except for the obvious stuff like metal, rock, classica, etc.)

I love "computer music!" to tell you the truth I can't even tell the
difference with the great songs that are coming out this year.  1994 had to
be the best year ever for tracker music and this year is looking excellent
too.  It's amazing how people send so much time on music that is of higher
quality than 90% of the CD's out there then releases it for free.  Isn't
the scene great?

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:42 EET
From: Gentle <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:761] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Jonathan S Pulling wrote:

> >         It's funny you mention this.  When Doom 2 came out, we were all
> > talking in #trax about how it would be better with some tracker techno in
> > Doom, and that KLF should be contracted for the next Doom (Quake?) to write
> > the music. :)
> >
> I was told id isn't planning on having background music in Doom3/Quake.
> Apparently, they are going for the enhanced realism there would be
> without it...
>
Yeah, the soundtrack will be your basic birds chirping, cars going by,
etc.  The basic ambient sounds of the world aroudn us will be used in
Quake.  The game (????) is supposed to set the industry on it's head.  I
certainly hope so....

.it needs a bit of a push off the precipice it holds onto...

Gentle


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 05:41 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:759] Re: whitesand ...

In message <[e-mail]> you write:

>On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:40 EET,
>Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>actually ... was looking more for the funk ... love that shit! ... but
>>house-funk would be great also. :)  hey has anyone else ever attempted
>>anything even close to his 26 channels mtm "klf zymba" ... and done so as
>>succesfully as he did?  it's a shame to waste all those 32 channels,
>>especially since i got a GUS that can handle it.
>
>Actually, once you get more than 14 channels going the GUS starts dropping
>the mixing rate, and you do notice a difference.  14 tracks should be
>enough for anyone :)

Yeah, 640 KB should be enough for everyone, right?  Wake up and smell the
coffee!  The GUS is not the end in sound card technology.  It would be
stupid to limit all compositions to 14 channels for the only reason that
a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.
It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
artificial limitations that are not necessary.

> ____________________________________________________________
> \ JPEG Picture: ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell.jpg   /
> / First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip \
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>|      [e-mail] / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell         |
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jensi


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 06:19 EET
From: Zyxt <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:762] Re: whitesand ...

> a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
> now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
> at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.

  Just curious, but what is the capability of the AWE?  How many channels
can it do before its sample rate starts to drop?  Thanks.


******************************************************************************
       "Dang, I always forget what 'CRS' stands for in 'CRS syndrome.'"
   email:                                         Sincerely,
   [e-mail]                     Zyxt, Joe, etc...
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 08:46 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:763] Re: Playing tracker files on a GUS

In message <[e-mail]> you write:

>I have 768k RAM on my GUS, which I thought would be enough for any tracker
>file I could come across.  I was wrong.  Until I can get some more memory,
>is there any players that will play tracker files in software?  The file
>plays fine on my friends SB16.
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> \ JPEG Picture: ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell.jpg   /
> / First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip \
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>|      [e-mail] / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell         |
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sure.  Check out Mod4Win.  You can download a free demo copy from
ftp://ftp.eng.ufl.edu/demos/music/programs/players/m4w212sx.txt

Jensi


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:06 EET
From: Sun God <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:764] Re: whitesand ...

> It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
> artificial limitations that are not necessary.
>
> Jensi

   This from someone who codes for windows. I am not impressed. What a
bullshitter you are.


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:30 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:765] Re: whitesand ...

In message <[e-mail]> you wri
te:

>> a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
>> now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
>> at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.
>
>  Just curious, but what is the capability of the AWE?  How many channels
>can it do before its sample rate starts to drop?  Thanks.
>
>
>******************************************************************************
>       "Dang, I always forget what 'CRS' stands for in 'CRS syndrome.'"
>   email:                                         Sincerely,
>   [e-mail]                     Zyxt, Joe, etc...
>******************************************************************************

I can't say for sure, but I don't think it drops at all.  Anybody here has
one?

Jensi


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:49 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:766] Re: whitesand ...

In message <[e-mail]> you write:

>> It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
>> artificial limitations that are not necessary.
>>
>> Jensi
>
>   This from someone who codes for windows. I am not impressed. What a
>bullshitter you are.

And you are just a bit too fucking arrogant, my friend.

Jensi


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 09:55 EET
From: "Aaron J. Grier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:767] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general

On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Josh Rodman wrote:

> It seems to me you are viewing the concept of a "music comparison" as a
> competition.  People have to use the same tools to make their music
> comparable?  I can't compare the Shakers producing their simple melodies to
> Aarron Copeland's orchestra which incorporates some of those melodies?  They
> use dissimilar instrumentation and composing materiels, so by your logic
> they are not comparable, even though one is the source materiel for the
> other!

Did you finish reading to the end of my post?  I know it seems I
contradict myself somewhat, (take it in the whole, and it makes sense,)
but I do believe that I said something to the extent that you can still
compare music of different genres/types/ whatever if you want to.  But you
can't expect people to do so without adding weight to both sides.

> Music (despite what much of the demo-scene seems to think) is not a race,
> [SNIP]

True.  Then why get worked up about this at all?  I'm just trying to
figure out why the question of "KLF to real music" is being asked.  (Slap
me a few times until KFMF comes out as automatically as KLF.)

> ...that's not the point of music.  It's a medium in which you can
> create.  You can use bits of things you have experienced or forge out in
> totally new directions, and neither is BETTER than the other, but the
> tools of the exploring, these are irrelevant.
>
> That said, it is still possible to take a shit on a musical canvas.  It is
> still possible to turn out things that can be generally recognized as
> totally unispired and pathetic; Herbie Hancock might have been doing
> something, but after an entire decade expired into synth-pop, the "musical
> artists" more closely resembled pimps.  Demomuzak was never meant to be
> anything more than background chitter, it was designed not as an artform but
> as wallpaper.  Wallpaper can look nice, but it isn't art.

Says who?  What happened to the notion of "neither is better than the
other?"  What if someone wants to produce wallpaper?  Why can't I enjoy
wallpaper as art?  I guess I am really a pimp then if I want to produce
demomuzak.

> It is only
> recently that tracker-produced music has truly begun to outgrow it's
> heritage.  It's been growing in that directior for a while, but it's
> heritage is junk, so people like the KLF deserve a lot of a credit for
> creating music that is on a par with similar conventionally produced music,
> but I don't think we need a judgeing panel over this comparison.

Then why add value statements like "its heritage is junk?"  KLF deserves
a lot of credit for creating music, period.

Is it just me, or do I sound really psycho?

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:15 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:768] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

Hi

> I know I know... this isn't really to do with KLF, but I figured with all
> the people that use Mod4Win on this list that someone is bound to be able
> to help me out.

Well, Jensi reads it.. ;) I don't think he likes your request..

> Mod4Win seems to write a date to the FAT or someother undiscoverable
> location so even if you re-install, it still gives you the expiry

I doubt it. It writes to some other place, but this is in full compliance
with Microsoft's (or Microsloth's if you want, that's not the point here)
recommendations.

> message.  I didn't get my full 30 day usage out of it as I wasn't able to
> use it every day for my 30 days.  I'm too much of a cheap student to pay

It doesn't guarantee 30 days of usage, does it. It works for 30 days
after installation. But this might be changed soon..

> the $80 for it, so I'd really just like to re-install it and get more
> time out of it ($80 is quite expensive).

$80?! I thought it was like $30. Jensi is a student himself, probably
just as poor as you and I. You're trying to rip him off, my friend.
I don't mind that with, say, MS Word for Win or something, they're way
out of line pricewise, for a student. But thirty bucks?

Just my opinion.

cya
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 13:08 EET
From: [e-mail] (Kim Davies)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:773] Re: pklite ...

Hello jester,
|
| registered PKLITE users can protect their .EXE's from unpacking. I don't
| know if this only applies to unregistered versions (on the unpacking side),
| but I failed in a couple of attempts at unpacking some .EXE's.

not quite - you can decompress pklite in any form, let alone decode *ANY*
compress/encryption program that exists - simply because the
decryption/decompression code exists in the exe...

there are utilities to make the process simple, my favourite is 'unp'...

:-)

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 13:25 EET
From: [e-mail] (Kim Davies)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:774] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

Hello Chng Ching Huei,
|
| Well, are you sure you can play KFMF's mtm and s3m using MOD4WIN?

If I am not mistaken, mod4win is one of kosmic's recommended players..

| For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
| fidelity sounds. REALLY!

hang on... morgul == dsmi == dmp... i'd hardly call it accurate s3m and mtm
support.

cya,
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:09 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:771] Re: Playing tracker files on a GUS

>
> I have 768k RAM on my GUS, which I thought would be enough for any tracker
> file I could come across.  I was wrong.  Until I can get some more memory,
> is there any players that will play tracker files in software?  The file
> plays fine on my friends SB16.

Mod4Win. If you're not a Winbloze-hater. I'm waiting for XM support so I can
listen to that 1.2 MEG XM file that was posted to a.b.s.mods last week...
Can't do that on my GUS right now.. Now if some of those players did patch
caching....

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 10:58 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:769] Re: whitesand ...

>
> On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:40 EET,
> Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >actually ... was looking more for the funk ... love that shit! ... but
> >house-funk would be great also. :)  hey has anyone else ever attempted
> >anything even close to his 26 channels mtm "klf zymba" ... and done so as
> >succesfully as he did?  it's a shame to waste all those 32 channels,
> >especially since i got a GUS that can handle it.
>
> Actually, once you get more than 14 channels going the GUS starts dropping
> the mixing rate, and you do notice a difference.  14 tracks should be
> enough for anyone :)

I still wouldn't mind a GUS II with a GF2 capable of addressing more memory
space (that 1MB is really too small for 16 bit 44.1kHz samples... I'm NOT
talking about huge CD samples, you know what I mean) and with more than 14
voices at 44.1kHz...

14 track is not enough all the time. Especially when you want to simulate
post-processing.

just a notion
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:04 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:770] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

> On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Tom Robbs wrote:
> > I know I know... this isn't really to do with KLF, but I figured with all
> > the people that use Mod4Win on this list that someone is bound to be able
> > to help me out.
> >
>
> Why the hell do you want to use that Mod player when they are other jolly
> GOOD players around that actually produces much BETTER sounds as compared
> to that good ole' MOD4WIN?

You actually seem to be referring to a "good ole' MOD4WIN", not the current
version.

> Well, are you sure you can play KFMF's mtm and s3m using MOD4WIN?

Yes. In fact, Mod4Win has better S3M compatibility than ST3.2 itself.

> For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
> fidelity sounds. REALLY!

Don't know that one. I'll check for it..

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 11:20 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:772] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general

> >: Josh Rodman (sp?)
>: the Finn
: me (jester) ;)

> > artists" more closely resembled pimps.  Demomuzak was never meant to be
> > anything more than background chitter, it was designed not as an artform but
> > as wallpaper.  Wallpaper can look nice, but it isn't art.

Who are you to say? Check out pop art, I'm sure you know Pollock, Warhol,
etc.. Warhol was involved in founding Velvet Underground. He was an artist!
Still, I suppose he might even have made wallpaper.

It's the attitude that makes you an artist, IMO. Not what you 'produce'.

> Says who?  What happened to the notion of "neither is better than the
> other?"  What if someone wants to produce wallpaper?  Why can't I enjoy
> wallpaper as art?  I guess I am really a pimp then if I want to produce
> demomuzak.

Valid opinion, IMO. Not that 'pimp' thing, I have no idea how to understand
that last sentence (though I have my guesses).

> > recently that tracker-produced music has truly begun to outgrow it's
> > heritage.  It's been growing in that directior for a while, but it's
> > heritage is junk, so people like the KLF deserve a lot of a credit for
> > creating music that is on a par with similar conventionally produced music,
> > but I don't think we need a judgeing panel over this comparison.
>
> Then why add value statements like "its heritage is junk?"  KLF deserves
> a lot of credit for creating music, period.

Well, the technicals of its heritage are junk. But tracker formats are
still very hindering nowadays. the trackers themselves even more so though.
IMHO.

> Is it just me, or do I sound really psycho?

No, why d'you ask. Seems pretty sensible to me.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 22:22 EET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [KLF-TALK:778] Re: pklite ...

 > registered PKLITE users can protect their .EXE's from unpacking.
 > I don't know if this only applies to unregistered versions (on
 > the unpacking side), but I failed in a couple of attempts at
 > unpacking some .EXE's.

  Use DISLITE (pd) for expanding these "unextractable" files to their
original image.

     I</\i|\I  ([e-mail])


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:20 EET
From: Tom Robbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:780] Re: whitesand ...

On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote:

> I agree, the last few songs didn't even get sent, anyone know how to
> un-join the binaries KLF list?  :)

Hmm... I agree.  But one thing that I haven't been paying attention to
is, when a song is released and Dan makes his announcement... is it to
this list or to the binaries list preceding the flow of binaries?

If it is to this list... I'd like to unsubscribe to the binary list as
well.  I don't find myself using it anymore.

Thanks...

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:27 EET
From: Tom Robbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:781] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Chng Ching Huei wrote:

> Why the hell do you want to use that Mod player when they are other jolly
> GOOD players around that actually produces much BETTER sounds as compared
> to that good ole' MOD4WIN?

Because I've yet to find a better UI for a player.  Mod4Win's output of
sound is far better than anyother for the top supported formats.  There
are no command line options to have to put up with and it allows for
easier tagging for a playlist than having to format one yourself via a
text file for say DMP.

> Well, are you sure you can play KFMF's mtm and s3m using MOD4WIN?

Well, as far as I know, I can play MTM, S3M, STM, MOD, FAR all without
any problems and with excellent quality.

> For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
> fidelity sounds. REALLY!
>
> It can be gotten from wuarchive.wustl.edu, I think.

I've never heard/seen it so I really can offer my opinion on that.  Maybe
I'll check it out while I'm waiting for my registered version of Mod4Win.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:44 EET
From: Tom Robbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:782] Re: whitesand ...

On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, D.L. Gendreau wrote:

> I have the awe32, and a pentium90... it kicks major ass!
> the only time i ever saw the cpu meter go above 25 percent was one
> of these 26 channel mods (cant remember the name). most of the time
> the cpu is at ~5%.

Just out of curiousity, where can you view the CPU meter that everone
keeps mentioning?  Is this through something like Dashboard?

Thanks..

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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 22:51 EET
From: Satan <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:779] Re: whitesand ...

> Yeah, 640 KB should be enough for everyone, right?  Wake up and smell the
> coffee!  The GUS is not the end in sound card technology.  It would be
> stupid to limit all compositions to 14 channels for the only reason that
> a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
> now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
> at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.
> It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
> artificial limitations that are not necessary.

Can't the AWE32 do a helluva lot more than that? I've seen configurations
with mondo ram, and I would think that with say 4 or 8 megs of ram you
could run a whole lotsa tracks.

Justa comment from a guy who don't know much...
Satan Claus
[FiDELiS/iDENTiTY]


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:46 EET
From: [e-mail] (D.L. Gendreau )
Subject: [KLF-TALK:776]  Re: whitesand ...

I just realized that I didnt answer the question... heh
NO, I have not noticed a drop in sample rate OR resolution
even with that monster 26 tracker. :)


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 01:31 EET
From: Schitzo <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:783] Re: pklite ...



On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 [e-mail] wrote:

>  > registered PKLITE users can protect their .EXE's from unpacking.
>  > I don't know if this only applies to unregistered versions (on
>  > the unpacking side), but I failed in a couple of attempts at
>  > unpacking some .EXE's.
>
>   Use DISLITE (pd) for expanding these "unextractable" files to their
> original image.
>
well i've figured that out a day ago but it doesn't seem to work on the
demo "catchup!".  it seems to decompress it ... but not properly.  i want
to rip out the last tune in the demo "the REALLY cool part with the fly!!"
 :) ... any suggestions on how to get my hand on that module for my
collection????  any help appreciated ... thanx in advance ... party on! :)



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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 03:36 EET
From: Dan Nicholson <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:784] Re: whitesand ...



On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Tom Robbs wrote:

> Hmm... I agree.  But one thing that I haven't been paying attention to
> is, when a song is released and Dan makes his announcement... is it to
> this list or to the binaries list preceding the flow of binaries?
>
> If it is to this list... I'd like to unsubscribe to the binary list as
> well.  I don't find myself using it anymore.

It's to this list. Lately i've been REALLY LAZY though and posted neither
the announcements or the binaries. THat'll change :)_

- Dan


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 03:52 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:786] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

>>         It's funny you mention this.  When Doom 2 came out, we were all
>> talking in #trax about how it would be better with some tracker techno in
>> Doom, and that KLF should be contracted for the next Doom (Quake?) to write
>> the music. :)
>>
>I was told id isn't planning on having background music in Doom3/Quake.
>Apparently, they are going for the enhanced realism there would be
>without it...

        Err, well, I have my music turned off because
        a)  I don't like it.
        b)  I need to hear what my brother is doing elsewhere in the map so
I can go and kick his ass. :)
        c)  So Doom loads faster.

        I think Id would be smart to put a mod/mtm/s3m loader in Quake for
optional background music.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 03:52 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:785] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>>         I still find it funy when people look supprised when I tell them
>> that dance music is made by computers.
>
>that's just plain ignorance ... pure and simple.  and it might be funny
>at first but when you really think about it, it's not.

        Yeah, well.. people are stupid in general. :)  I just accept that
and attempt to educate people.

        ie, Mental Floss.
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 19:24 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andy Voss (Phoenix/Kosmic))
Subject: [KLF-TALK:777] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Jan 19,  4:20am, "Chris Campbell" wrote:
> Subject: [KLF-TALK:752] Re: Suggestion for KLF
> On Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:47 EET,
> Schitzo  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I agree totally!  I would just like to see more mellow stuff from KLF, not
> asking them to quit making techno or anything, just bet they could make
> some really cool mellow songs too, especially Basehead!
>
>-- End of excerpt from "Chris Campbell"

Perhaps you missed KLF-LIFE, PLAC-KLF, CRYS-KLF, and Floss's stuff on
KLF-XMAS, to name a few?

-av (phoenix/kosmic)
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 18:36 EET
From: [e-mail] (D.L. Gendreau )
Subject: [KLF-TALK:775]  Re: whitesand ...

>>> a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
>>> now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
>>> at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.
>>
>>  Just curious, but what is the capability of the AWE?  How many channels
>>can it do before its sample rate starts to drop?  Thanks.
>>
>I can't say for sure, but I don't think it drops at all.  Anybody here has
>one?
>
>Jensi
I have the awe32, and a pentium90... it kicks major ass!
the only time i ever saw the cpu meter go above 25 percent was one
of these 26 channel mods (cant remember the name). most of the time
the cpu is at ~5%.

As for calling Jens lame for developing under windows, get real! I
think mod4win is THE best mod player I have ever heard (at least on
my sound card) I will agree that windows can be slow, and that microsoft
totally sucks, but if you have a better alternative, please let us
know what it is. I for one am NOT into re-inventing the wheel and
rewriting my own operating system each time I develop a program.
Just my 2 yen
-Dan G.


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 06:11 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:787] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>On Wed, 18 Jan 95 22:45 EET,
>Andrew McCallum  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>        Yeah.  Stuff without words to distract you are great to study to.
>>Every semester around exams I always find myself scrambling to slap together
>>a tape of stuff off my system. :)
>
>Why tape the stuff?  I just play it right off my computer, sounds great.  I
>have about 50MB of tracker files.

        Yeah, but you can't take it to school and play it in a walkman.
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 08:44 EET
From: Dan <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:788] many things

ummmmmmm
1) ripping on Windows, Jensi for coding for Windows, Mod4Win, etc is
really stupid. Windows is *THE* operating system at least 80% of computer
users are going to be using for the foreseeable future, and ripping on it
is about as futile as ripping on DOS. The world is NOT going to switch to
OS/2, Linux, Solaris, NeXTSTEP or whatever your own personal preference
may be no matter how much evangelizing you do. Get over it. Unlike
somethings, like music or food, there is not much choice for the
_majority_ of computer users when it comes to operating systems. Hacking
for fun is one thing but generating revenues and getting things done on a
deadline is another entirely. Like most people, I have to let the latter
dictate what platform I use, and if I couldn't run Windows my only other
practical choice would be the Macinshit. Microsoft may not be the world's
coolest company, but I'd rather have them with their lockup on the market
than Apple Computer and it's hypocritical "sue anything that moves,
because we invented the wheel first!" strategy.

2) As usual, and as I expected, my message about music the other day was
misinterpretted, and no, i don't want to waste more time discussing
semantics.

3) releases have not been getting posted to the klf-list for one reason:
i've been trying very hard lately to GET AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER. it's
something we all could probably stand to do alot more of. in order to
post the new releases to the klf-list, i have to uuencode them on my PC
and then upload them to my account here, which essentially means i have
to upload the same thing twice (no kim, i haven't been able to get that
script working unfortunately). on top of that, i then have to manually
post each section, and i'm one of those people who litterally gets driven
crazy by the repetition of typing

K-ARGH.ZIP "ARGH ARGH ARGH" (UUENCODED) 23 of 962

a million times.

4) For the record, I think Mod4Win 2.12 is the most accurate and best
multi-format player available. ESPECIALLY for KLF/Kosmic releases.
Unfortunately, it has heavy hardware requirements. It's really a piece of
shit to use on my 386DX-40 8mb. However, it's fantastic and my favorite
player on a 486DX2-66 8mb. And since I've got a 486DX2-66 motherboard
coming to my house tomorrow, that's just groovy with me. Hey, if *I* can
afford to upgrade to a decent machine, you can.

5) to people who have ordered Transmission 23/FTZ/etc tapes: YOU ARE NOT
FORGOTTEN! :) i've been waiting now since the end of december for someone
who is supposed to print the reallykeen(tm) full-color j-cards for them
for me and has not yet gotten them to me (ARGH! I WILL KILL YA CHRIS!!
:). I'm probably just going to ship the tapes out without covers for now
(all i have for a printer is shitty dot-matrix) and mail the covers
separately.

this now concludes a test of the emergency broadcast system.

- Dan


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 09:40 EET
From: [e-mail] (Prof m. Chua Tock Hing)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:789] Re: many things


) to people who have ordered Transmission 23/FTZ/etc tapes: YOU ARE NOT
FORGOTTEN! :) i've been waiting now since the end of december for someone
who is supposed to print the reallykeen(tm) full-color j-cards for them
for me and has not yet gotten them to me (ARGH! I WILL KILL YA CHRIS!!
:). I'm probably just going to ship the tapes out without covers for now
(all i have for a printer is shitty dot-matrix) and mail the covers
separately.

this now concludes a test of the emergency broadcast system.

- Dan

So sorry to disturb you..but how do I order the Transmission 23/FTZ/etc tapes?
 Thank you.


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 13:40 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:792] Re: Playing tracker files on a GUS

On Thu, 19 Jan 95 08:46 EET,
Jens Puchert  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sure.  Check out Mod4Win.  You can download a free demo copy from
>ftp://ftp.eng.ufl.edu/demos/music/programs/players/m4w212sx.txt

Mod4Win?  Cool yeah I even have that on my HD, FTPed it a few weeks ago,
installed it then never went back into Windoze in all that time :)

ps. Tried to run it but it said 30 days were up that's dumb because I only
used it once, I'll have to FTP it again...

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 / First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip \
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|      [e-mail] / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell         |
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 16:23 EET
From: Simon THORNINGTON <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:793] Re: many things


On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Dan wrote:

> OS/2, Linux, Solaris, NeXTSTEP or whatever your own personal preference
 . .
> for fun is one thing but generating revenues and getting things done on a
> deadline is another entirely. Like most people, I have to let the latter

I hate being a dick, but I installed Linux just so I _could_ do work.
McGill uses mostly Unix boxes, and it is nice to have gcc and Mosaic at home.
In fact, I load up DOS/Win just for games.

Just another pov.

Simon.



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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 18:09 EET
From: [e-mail] (D.L. Gendreau )
Subject: [KLF-TALK:795]  Re: whitesand ...

um, the cpu meter I am refering to is the one on the main display
in mod4win... (there is a  number followed by a % sign near on the right
hand panel of the program)
-Dan G.


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 00:53 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:802] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

On Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:27 EET,
Tom Robbs  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
>> fidelity sounds. REALLY!
>> It can be gotten from wuarchive.wustl.edu, I think.
>I've never heard/seen it so I really can offer my opinion on that.  Maybe
>I'll check it out while I'm waiting for my registered version of Mod4Win.

Does it play trackers bigger than 768k on a 768k GUS?  Geeze, I used
MOD4WIN once in the month I had it and it won't let me use it again, I
download it again and it still says expired.  I sure won't be registering
that, didn't even get to try it.

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First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip
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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 02:18 EET
From: Andrew Voss <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:806] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>
> On Thu, 19 Jan 95 19:24 EET,
> Andy Voss ?Phoenix/Kosmic?  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps you missed KLF-LIFE, PLAC-KLF, CRYS-KLF, and Floss's stuff on
> >KLF-XMAS, to name a few?
>
> I loved Floss's stuff for KLF-XMAS!  But where can I find the other files?
> (names and dirs!)
>
> ps. and site!  :)
>
Well, add a ".ZIP" to each one, and they're in the 94 dirs of the Kosmic
sites (check the KOSMIC.NFO file!)

ps. ftp.wit.com is crapping out, ftp.luth.se might actually be better.

-av



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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 22:55 EET
From: "Steven M. Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:798] Re: whitesand ...

>
> I can't say for sure, but I don't think it drops at all.  Anybody here has
> one?
>
> Jensi


I am the proud owner of an SB AWE 32 and it doesn't suffer having more than
14 channels. I used to have 8MB of onboard RAM for midi work but since I
started using FT2 I've relocated that RAM to another PC. The SB could be
wprked like the GUS, in that samples are loaded onto the card's RAM. Here's
the general caveat: if a module contained say, 20 samples and the combined K
size of these exceeded the amount of memory on your card, then you won't be
able to play it. The SB AWE 32 works like a standard SB in that it can
either load your samples into the PCs memory (a la SB 16),or onto the card.
At the moment there is onoly one tracker that does this (awemod v.2), so it's
still early days. The real high point of the SB AWE 32, for me, is the astounding
quality of the mixing. The ASP system does not seem to degrade with more
channels. Mind you, there is always a limit, this limit will be reached
depending on a combination of CPU, PC RAM, Bus Speed, Card Ram etc.

As for sampling quality, check out the items below (I know it's not KLF but
you never know, one day...)They all contain original samples done on the SB
AWE (ie. not ripped) and feature some of FT2s stereo enhancements. Judge for
yourself.


thekraken

P.S. Dan, why don't you give them a listen..

==========================================================================
I've been working on a number of FT II tunes this week,
hopefully they'll be finished by weekend and up on hornet. One tune has 25
channels used up and seems to sound fine. If anyone picks these up, let me
know how they sound on your setup. Of course, you'll need FT2 or Cubic
Player to experience them.

Release #
1. 12thsect.zip    - thekraken (Ambient soundtrack)
2. lunadub.zip - thekraken  (Deconstructed techno)
3. wurlitza.zip - thekraken (Dub reggae)
4. crimea1.zip - the kraken (good drums, nice mood)


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 00:38 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:800] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Fri, 20 Jan 95 06:11 EET,
Andrew McCallum  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Why tape the stuff?  I just play it right off my computer, sounds great.  I
>>have about 50MB of tracker files.
>        Yeah, but you can't take it to school and play it in a walkman.

True, but you don't study at school do you?  I always study at home.  Too
bad you couldn't take a walkman into the exam room :)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 00:37 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:799] Re: whitesand ...

On Fri, 20 Jan 95 03:36 EET,
Dan Nicholson  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It's to this list. Lately i've been REALLY LAZY though and posted neither
>the announcements or the binaries. THat'll change :)_

Please take me off of KLF-LIST before you post binaries, since I found out
you have your own FTP site, there is no point filling up my mailbox with
UUENCODES unless I'm in a VGA Planets game.

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 10:40 EET
From: Chng Ching Huei <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:790] Re: Mod 4 Windows


Well, just tried the latest MOD4WIN. Found that now support of sound
modules extends to mtm and s3m. Even has KLF's modules inside it as
sample files. Sound-quality-wise is still inferior as compared to the
Morgul Player but interface-wise is of course top-notch. Too bad the
Morgul Player has only textual based interface, reminds me of the Mod
Player in the olden days.

Benedict,
Email: [e-mail]
Doomers Reign!


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 00:53 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:801] Re: Suggestion for KLF

On Thu, 19 Jan 95 19:24 EET,
Andy Voss ?Phoenix/Kosmic?  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Perhaps you missed KLF-LIFE, PLAC-KLF, CRYS-KLF, and Floss's stuff on
>KLF-XMAS, to name a few?

I loved Floss's stuff for KLF-XMAS!  But where can I find the other files?
(names and dirs!)

ps. and site!  :)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 00:59 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:803] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

On Fri, 20 Jan 95 03:52 EET,
Andrew McCallum  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>        I think Id would be smart to put a mod/mtm/s3m loader in Quake for
>optional background music.

That would be cool alright, but I can just see the tracker scene floating
away as all the composers start selling "Quake music packs" instead of
releasing tunes :)

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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 16:50 EET
From: Tom Robbs <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:794] Re: whitesand ...

On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Dan Nicholson wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Tom Robbs wrote:

> > Hmm... I agree.  But one thing that I haven't been paying attention to
> > is, when a song is released and Dan makes his announcement... is it to
> > this list or to the binaries list preceding the flow of binaries?

> > If it is to this list... I'd like to unsubscribe to the binary list as
> > well.  I don't find myself using it anymore.

> It's to this list. Lately i've been REALLY LAZY though and posted neither
> the announcements or the binaries. THat'll change :)_
>
> - Dan

Great.  So, to unsubscribe to the klf-binaries... the process is?
Anyone?

mail to klf-<what>@oliver.blah

unsubscribe <me>

?

Thanks...
***************************************************************************
+                          Tom "Energi" Robbs                             +
+                   [e-mail]                    +
+              http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~trobbs/            +
***************************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 18:41 EET
From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:796] Re: whitesand ...

> > Yeah, 640 KB should be enough for everyone, right?  Wake up and smell the
> > coffee!  The GUS is not the end in sound card technology.  It would be
> > stupid to limit all compositions to 14 channels for the only reason that
> > a certain sound card can't process more than that.  There are cards right
> > now (and probably more to come) that will be able to handle 32 channels
> > at 48 kHz.  It's only a matter of time to unlock this powerful potential.
> > It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
> > artificial limitations that are not necessary.
>
> Can't the AWE32 do a helluva lot more than that? I've seen configurations

What? If you mean the Chorus and Reverb features of the EMU, until there
is direct support for that, I wouldn't use it in mod playback. I mean
direct support as in an effect in the mod triggering it.

> with mondo ram, and I would think that with say 4 or 8 megs of ram you
> could run a whole lotsa tracks.

Huh? What d'you mean, a whole lot of tracks as in a whole lot of voices,
or as in a bunch of songs?

The RAM doesn't have anything to do with the number of voices. It's there
to hold samples, that's it. What you could probably do is load up several
mods, dump all the samples on the AWE and play them back in sequence or
something. But you'd still have a player (in your main mem) controlling
it.

l8r
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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 01:38 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:804] Re: many things

>
>
> On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Dan wrote:
>
> > OS/2, Linux, Solaris, NeXTSTEP or whatever your own personal preference
>  . .
> > for fun is one thing but generating revenues and getting things done on a
> > deadline is another entirely. Like most people, I have to let the latter
>
> I hate being a dick, but I installed Linux just so I _could_ do work.
> McGill uses mostly Unix boxes, and it is nice to have gcc and Mosaic at home.
> In fact, I load up DOS/Win just for games.
>
> Just another pov.
>
> Simon.
>
>
>

I'd have to agree... unfortunately most of the good graphical programs, and
music programs seem to be residing in the domain of DOS for Intel machines.
I like the fact I don't have to sit there and wait on completely irrelevent
interrupts holding the CPU unusable like saving to a floppy in DOS.

Only problem is it's hard to go into a computer store and find the 'UNIX'
section....


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 01:48 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:805] Re: Suggestion for KLF

>True, but you don't study at school do you?

        Yep.  People there usually know more than I do. :)
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.


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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 95 20:16 EET
From: [e-mail] (D.L. Gendreau )
Subject: [KLF-TALK:797]  Re: whitesand ...

mail to     [e-mail]...

unsubscribe klf-binaries your-name-here

i think this is the proper format....


if not, send a message to
[e-mail]


message: help


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 10:04 EET
From: "Jens Puchert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:808] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

In message <[e-mail]> you write:

>On Thu, 19 Jan 95 23:27 EET,
>Tom Robbs  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>> For instance, I find the Morgul Player version 1.10 produces very high
>>> fidelity sounds. REALLY!
>>> It can be gotten from wuarchive.wustl.edu, I think.
>>I've never heard/seen it so I really can offer my opinion on that.  Maybe
>>I'll check it out while I'm waiting for my registered version of Mod4Win.
>
>Does it play trackers bigger than 768k on a 768k GUS?  Geeze, I used
>MOD4WIN once in the month I had it and it won't let me use it again, I
>download it again and it still says expired.  I sure won't be registering
>that, didn't even get to try it.
>
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>JPEG Picture: ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell.jpg
>First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip
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Yes it does.

Jensi


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 10:03 EET
From: Dan <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:807] Re: many things



On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Simon THORNINGTON wrote:

> I hate being a dick, but I installed Linux just so I _could_ do work.
> McGill uses mostly Unix boxes, and it is nice to have gcc and Mosaic at home.

Of course, this makes perfect sense for people who are working with UNIX,
but those people are generally scientific users, sysadmins, or net
users. My point basically was that 90% or so of computer users need a
computer that runs things like MS Word, Quark Xpress, PhotoShop, FoxPro,
etc, and not emacs, so these people who preach these alternative o/ses
as a solution for the masses are really off-base.

I'm sure you are aware of this, but there are at least seven or eight
graphical WWW browsers for Windows, most of which are as good as (and
feature-wise, sometimes better) than the x-windows versions of NetScape,
NCSA, etc, so I couldn't see anyone Mosaic being a reason to run linux.
gcc is a good one though :)

- Dan


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:24 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:810] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

>
>         I think Id would be smart to put a mod/mtm/s3m loader in Quake for
> optional background music.
> ---
>     .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
>   .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
> oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.
>
>
Wouldn't trying to mix a large s3m file in the background AND do all the
advanced graphics stuff at the same time be kind of a stretch for even a
Pentium? It takes a lot of CPU time to mix 8+ channels, and a LOT of CPU
time to get the smooth graphics to work as well.

BTW- Does anyone know when Quake will be out?


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:19 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:809] Re: many things

> > I hate being a dick, but I installed Linux just so I _could_ do work.
> > McGill uses mostly Unix boxes, and it is nice to have gcc and Mosaic at home.
>
> Of course, this makes perfect sense for people who are working with UNIX,
> but those people are generally scientific users, sysadmins, or net
> users. My point basically was that 90% or so of computer users need a
> computer that runs things like MS Word, Quark Xpress, PhotoShop, FoxPro,
> etc, and not emacs, so these people who preach these alternative o/ses
> as a solution for the masses are really off-base.
>
> I'm sure you are aware of this, but there are at least seven or eight
> graphical WWW browsers for Windows, most of which are as good as (and
> feature-wise, sometimes better) than the x-windows versions of NetScape,
> NCSA, etc, so I couldn't see anyone Mosaic being a reason to run linux.
> gcc is a good one though :)
>
Just because a lot of software is written for an operating system doesn't
make that system necessarily a good operating system. That just makes it a
standard. If IBM had supported a PC-Based UNIX system like Linux in the
early eighties, Bill Gates would still be broke, DOS would probably never
have been heard of, and the programs you named above would run on Linux.

You also have to define which group of users 90% of use DOS. I don't know
of any group of users other than personal use, IBM-compatable owners that
has a figure that high. The commercial sector doesn't use DOS for it's core
computing systems well more than half the time. Operating Systems like Linux
allow you to do everything you can do in DOS (given the program was written
for Linux) and gives you a multi-tasking, multi-user environment that DOS
can't. (And for those of you reading this, Windows is not an Operating System)
Windows 3.11 requires you have DOS, and a true operating system requires only
that you have a box to install it on.) I call any program that can do
everything another program can do and more, better.... What would you?



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:25 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:811] Re: pklite ...


> On Thu, 19 Jan 1995 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >  > registered PKLITE users can protect their .EXE's from unpacking.
> >  > I don't know if this only applies to unregistered versions (on
> >  > the unpacking side), but I failed in a couple of attempts at
> >  > unpacking some .EXE's.
> >
> >   Use DISLITE (pd) for expanding these "unextractable" files to their
> > original image.
> >
> well i've figured that out a day ago but it doesn't seem to work on the
> demo "catchup!".  it seems to decompress it ... but not properly.  i want
> to rip out the last tune in the demo "the REALLY cool part with the fly!!"
>  :) ... any suggestions on how to get my hand on that module for my
> collection????  any help appreciated ... thanx in advance ... party on! :)
>

Send me some mail at [e-mail] and I'll give you a utility to unpack
pklited material that I know good and well works. It's called PKUNLITE and
works great. Any idiot who uses pklite to protect their programs is simply
a dweeb who doesn't realize how easy that is to undo. Using it to make your
programs smaller is one thing, but using it as a anti-rip device is another.



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:35 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:813] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general

> > Music (despite what much of the demo-scene seems to think) is not a race,
> > [SNIP]
>
> True.  Then why get worked up about this at all?  I'm just trying to
> figure out why the question of "KLF to real music" is being asked.  (Slap
> me a few times until KFMF comes out as automatically as KLF.)
>

Competition often brings out the best in people... A little competition never
hurt anyone. I'd rather see 1 truely awe inspiring track come from every
artist once a year, and have fewer songs, than 100 not quite as inspiring
tracks. People remember quality, not quantity... and I think if anything that
is the notion that is lost in the demo-scene a bit. Music should be a race,
but a race for perfection, not let's see who can spit out the most in a period
of time.



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:30 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:812]  Re: whitesand ...


> As for calling Jens lame for developing under windows, get real! I
> think mod4win is THE best mod player I have ever heard (at least on
> my sound card) I will agree that windows can be slow, and that microsoft
> totally sucks, but if you have a better alternative, please let us
> know what it is. I for one am NOT into re-inventing the wheel and
> rewriting my own operating system each time I develop a program.
> Just my 2 yen
> -Dan G.
>

Kernigan wrote the original UNIX operating system for a game of his because
he didn't like the existing OS the mainfraime he was using used back in the
dark ages... Reinventing the wheel at this point for a whole OS may not be
a good idea, but perhaps writing code to replace the few things windows really
does for MOD4Win (Screen, mouse, and CPU time) would be worth the effort...

I wrote a BBS program based off an existing program and found when I started
all over from scratch and built my own software from the ground up it worked
a whole lot better, and did a whole lot more. Sometimes the wheel is flat, and
needs to be re-invented just to be usable again.



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:40 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:814] Re: whitesand ...

>
> In message <[e-mail]> you write:
>
> >> It would be incredibly ignorant to hang on to the past now and impose
> >> artificial limitations that are not necessary.
> >>
> >> Jensi
> >
> >   This from someone who codes for windows. I am not impressed. What a
> >bullshitter you are.
>
> And you are just a bit too fucking arrogant, my friend.
>
> Jensi
>
>

I'd agree. Windows or not, your program is really great... and whenever I
get un-broke enough to afford it I will register. To the person Jensi replied
to:

    Jensi didn't write windows, so don't try to peg him for your dislike
    of windows itself. If you want to see a real system that has a bunch
    of old standards that make no sense, look no further than DOS.


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 12:50 EET
From: Brian Scott Stucker <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:815] Re: Mod4Win Expiry

> Mod4Win seems to write a date to the FAT or someother undiscoverable
> location so even if you re-install, it still gives you the expiry
> message.  I didn't get my full 30 day usage out of it as I wasn't able to
> use it every day for my 30 days.  I'm too much of a cheap student to pay
> the $80 for it, so I'd really just like to re-install it and get more
> time out of it ($80 is quite expensive).
>
> So my question is, has anyone managed to find where it writes info to and
> get rid of it so you can reinstall it?
>

Ask Jensi... hehe.



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 13:42 EET
From: "Steven M. Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:816] Re: many things

Dan has it right about Linux. On a PC however you can run both DOS and
Linux. I put Linux on my box for the speedier internet access. When you get
onto an ftp site you can do far more with Unix than similar DOS based
clients. Linux is a minority issue. It is interesting from the standpoint of
how technical OSs work, I mean it runs just beautifully. This is not a reason
to run out and get it. The fact that it is almost free is. There are no real
equivalents to the MS programs Dan mentioned, but you can them on your Dos
partition. I had no end of bother with Winsock etc in windows. Windows 95
looks to be a pain as well (for me at least), it's not going to be as
straightforward as people think, running Dos programs, even running Windows
3.1 programs.


I don't think anyone here is recommending, patronising, evangelising or
proseletyzing you to use Linux. It is an intersting alternative, when used
in conjunction with good ole Dos.

Bye for now Kosmic fans.


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 17:46 EET
From: [e-mail] (Andrew McCallum)
Subject: [KLF-TALK:817] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

>>
>>         I think Id would be smart to put a mod/mtm/s3m loader in Quake for
>> optional background music.

>Wouldn't trying to mix a large s3m file in the background AND do all the
>advanced graphics stuff at the same time be kind of a stretch for even a
>Pentium? It takes a lot of CPU time to mix 8+ channels, and a LOT of CPU
>time to get the smooth graphics to work as well.

        Oops.  Sorry.  I forgot about sound blaster users.
---
    .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo.
  .oO [e-mail] Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo.
oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html  Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: [phone] Oo.


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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:01 EET
From: "Chris V. Wells" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:818] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games

On Sat, 21 Jan 1995, Andrew McCallum wrote:
> >Wouldn't trying to mix a large s3m file in the background AND do all the
> >advanced graphics stuff at the same time be kind of a stretch for even a
> >Pentium? It takes a lot of CPU time to mix 8+ channels, and a LOT of CPU
> >time to get the smooth graphics to work as well.
>
>         Oops.  Sorry.  I forgot about sound blaster users.

..and 386 users. :D

(man, it's been a while since i've been on this internet thing..)

::dynamis
[e-mail]



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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 18:40 EET
From: "Chris Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [KLF-TALK:819]  Re: whitesand ...

On Fri, 20 Jan 95 20:16 EET,
D.L. Gendreau  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>mail to     [e-mail]...

I tried to mail [e-mail] but it bounced back, what is the right
address?

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 95 20:11 EET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [KLF-TALK:820] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games


>         Oops.  Sorry.  I forgot about sound blaster users.

What is Quake? never heard of this one before ..

Cerulean [Defi]


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